Citizendium: A possible rival to Wikipedia?

I came across an article about Citizendium on Ars Technica, and figured I would post something about it. While the name does take some getting used to (it’s a combination of “Citizen Compendium”), it might be nice to see it get somewhere or even succeed.

The founder, Larry Sanger, was a co-founder of Wikipedia, and wrote Toward a New Compendium of Knowledge, in which he lists the following issues with Wikipedia:

* The community does not enforce its own rules effectively or consistently. Consequently, administrators and ordinary participants alike are able essentially to act abusively with impunity, which begets a never-ending cycle of abuse.
* Widespread anonymity leads to a distinguishable problem, namely, the attractiveness of the project to people who merely want to cause trouble, or who want to undermine the project, or who want to change it into something that it is avowedly not–in other words, the troll problem.
* Many now complain that the leaders of the community have become insular: it has become increasingly difficult for people who are not already part of the community to get fully on board, regardless of their ability or qualifications.
* This arguably dysfunctional community is extremely off-putting to some of the most potentially valuable contributors, namely, academics. Furthermore, there is no special place for academics, so that they can contribute in a way they feel comfortable with. As a result, it seems likely that the project will never escape its amateurism. Indeed, one might say that Wikipedia is committed to amateurism. In an encyclopedia, there’s something wrong with that.

I’ve known people who argue against Wikipedia based on these points, and I can even agree with him on these points, however, only as far as a similar-yet-different solution to Wikipedia such as Citizendium, and not a closed source, like Britannica. Aside from saying that, I’ve skimmed the essay, and found it to be an interesting idea. For the sake of having a user-driven encyclopedia still available online, I hope it the best.

Sadly though, I can see it failing, based only on the fact that the name may sound “stupid” (according to a couple diggers), and academia is still fearful of things like this, due to Wikipedia.

The pilot program can be found at http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/Main_Page.

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Wikipedia: the up and coming black hole of the web

To quote Sam Vaknin:

It is a question of time before the Wikipedia self-destructs and implodes. It poses such low barriers to entry (anyone can edit any number of its articles) that it is already attracting masses of teenagers as “contributors” and “editors”, not to mention the less savory flotsam and jetsam of cyber-life.

Apparently Sam has an ax to grind. He apparently expects Wikipedia to become a black hole from which nothing, not even light, can escape, and with it, huge portions of the web will be torn asunder, floating around in the accretion disc that forms, before plummeting towards the singularity. He sites the following “Six Sins of the Wikipedia”:

  1. The Wikipedia is opaque and encourages recklessness.
  2. The Wikipedia is anarchic, not democratic.
  3. The Might is Right Editorial Principle.
  4. Wikipedia is against real knowledge.
  5. Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia.
  6. The Wikipedia is rife with libel and violations of copyrights.

However, a counter story was created by someone over at Wikipedia. However, at the bottom of the article, in an e-mail from Sam, it was mentioned that there were class action lawsuits being prepared against Wikipedia. However, my attempt to find any information about this, including that the site that supposedly had the information (http://www.wikipediaclassaction.org) redirected to something completely worthless, was in vain. Chances are, this is nothing worth while, and probably won’t happen.

Some comments in Digg included Firemeboy saying:

Why are we listening to a guy who has a home page that looks like this.

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/

and Matt’s comment of:

This Vaknin fellow was accredited by a commercial Brainbench Institution. One of those places where you buy your degree. As for Wikipedia, I believe it to be a good source of information and a fantastic example of collaborative work towards a positive goal. One must always be careful to check sources and facts. Sounds to me like Vaknin had a dispute with some moderator over a particular article and decided to throw a hissy fit.

These quotes seemed to be the general consensus on Digg.

I agree, you need to be careful of what you use Wikipedia for, and then you check your references. There is also a discussion hiding in the Digg comments as to whether or not Wikipedia, or even encyclopedias in general, should be cited as references in college or university classes. I would think this depends on the subject matter in question, as well as the difficulty level of the class. For an intro class, it would be helpful to use Wikipedia to cite basic information in case you couldn’t quite comprehend the way the text book presented it. Even better, use Wikipedia as a way of enhancing what you learn from class and the text book. I would imagine that if I read the article about something on Wikipedia while working on a term paper, I had better just list it down, just to be safe. I think part of the reason I believe that to be something to do is because I seldom wrote papers for my classes, as they were not part of the course. Whatever.

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Just some zeros and ones

Time to put something up. I think the neutrality of the Internet issue has had enough time as the most recent post. I still haven’t reached anything that can be considered a conclusion about it, except that I do not know enough about the telecom industry and law.

What should I talk about?

Dinosaurs
Dinosaur Shocker – I came across this article today.

It was big news indeed last year when Schweitzer announced she had discovered blood vessels and structures that looked like whole cells inside that T. rex bone – the first observation of its kind. The finding amazed colleagues, who had never imagined that even a trace of still-soft dinosaur tissue could survive.

This was an article worth reading.

Too much or not enough?
From the monthly message section of Dan Simmons’s website came an interesting article about the author being confronted by a time traveler about the future of his children and grandchildren because of something he wrote. It is, it should be noted, a way for Dan to give an opinion on our current involvement in the Middle East, and the war on terror which could be, if it got out of hand, a war against Islam. I suggest everyone read it here.

Richard Dean Anderson
My friend Brent had the following up on his Xanga (shudder) page:

Men are from Stargate. Women are from McGyver.I’m fully convinced now. Who knew that Richard Dean Anderson could create such an amazing gender litmus test. Though I must admit, the latter could do amazing things with chewing gum and wire.

Not to be unfair, let me give a shout-out to all the lady Stargate fans out there. I know you are numerous, though I think the genders really start to blur with the new Battlestar Galactica. Talk about your action drama. Something for the lords and ladies to cuddle up together and appreciate. That and I think we get equal amounts of eye candy from the cast. I should keep a tally of when Seven and Apollo toss out a body shot.

It is very true, especially when you look at my marriage. While I don’t care about television shows too much, I’m more likely to watch Stargate than MacGyver, but Meghan is throughly excited when she finds out MacGyver is on.

My iPod
A couple weeks ago, my iPod stopped working, and by “stopped working”, I mean that sometimes, it would go through the menu and let me select songs to play, but it would then not play anything and then skip to the next song, at which point it would repeat the process. That is when it would turn on. I also was getting the exclamation-folder and dead iPod screens. I tried all the reset techniques that I could, but to no avail. Throughout this, the iPod’s hard drive would make a wonderful “clunking” sound which you could feel if you were holding the iPod and even hear if the iPod was 3 feet from your ears.

I eventually took it to BestBuy, as that is where I purchased it and I had a 4 year plan through BestBuy to cover it. I was directed to the Geek Squad counter, and the Geek Squad-er who assisted me turned it on and did the exact same thing I had been trying to do for the last week. He said that if it got sent into to Apple (or where ever) to be repaired, and the tech turned it on like he did, the warranty wouldn’t cover it and I’d be charged. He said I should try a handful of things, like reseting the iPod after a freeze and restoring/updating the iPod. Fine. So, as luck would have it, I was listening to it on the way home, and, lo and behold, the iPod started skipping in the middle of songs and skip entire songs. It then died. I then got home and tried reseting/updating.restoring the iPod. That was a thrill, tell you what. I tried multiple times, but while the computer could occasionally detect the iPod, iTunes and the iPod updater had issues acknowledging its existence. I read through some Macintosh forums regarding the iPod, and I actually found some where, in frustration, people would through their iPod across the room or slam it on the table and it would suddenly begin working. I picked up the iPod with my right hand, much like primitive man may have picked up a piece of flint, and held it with the screen covered by my thumb and the wheel covered by my palm. I then slammed it against my left palm, which was held perpendicular to my left arm. Four times I did this, and afterwards, my palm stung a bit, but I was able to connect my iPod to my computer and the updater saw it! I then spent the next hour trying to get quantum particles to hit the iPod at the same time I attempted a format/update/restore. At either the sixth or seventh time, I managed to it working.

Category: Things made of people
The question: The new green flavor was preceded by red and yellow. The answer: soylent green.

This came up when talking to Danielle and John within the last week. Despite never having seen the movie, I know what the comment means. Danielle, John, and Meghan did not, so I had to explain it. At this point, I realized that there are quite a few things that I know of, despite not having watched, read, or otherwise been in contact with the information first hand. Once I described soylent green, it made some references the three knew make a bit more sense, such as from Futurama (Fry and the Slurm Factory – a Willy Wonka parody), where the following takes place:

Fry: What if the secret ingredient is… people!?
Leela: Oh, there’s already a soda like that. Soylent Cola.
Fry: Really? How is it?
Leela: Eh, It varies from person to person.

All this helped to do was prove that much of the information I know is useless in some manner. That, or I’m ready to become a Pop Culture major and I don’t know it.

Wikipedia / looking things up
I occasionally find myself following tangents of articles through Wikipedia. The other day, I was looking at the featured articles for Wikipedia, and recalled speaking with an online acquaintance many years ago in yahoo chat; her saying she had spoken with her brother about stuff like the Philadelphia Experiment. So, I read through that article, from which I came across a list of conspiracy theories. They were all interesting, especially the Montauk Project and the Nazi moon base, just to name a few.

Oh Wikipedia, what won’t you have information about?

Sand game
A minor site to note is the falling sand game. It’s a nice java applet game where pixels with different properties fall from the ceiling. once you get it to the point where the fire stays burning at the top and the screen fills with water and oil and the plant grows into the water and it all burns away periodically, it is mesmerizing to say the least. Andy called me a “berk jird” for sending him the link.

Berk Jird
In Donkey Kong Country for the SNES, there were these stupid condor/buzzards that would sometimes kill Donkey or Diddy Kong. We started to refer to these enemies as “jerk birds”, and we (Andy, Pete, and I) have since referred to each other as such when we are being pains to the other(s). Recently, for whatever reason, we have changed it to “berk jird”, and for Andy and I, it has stuck. This is meaningless to probably everyone, but I mentioned it above so I figured I should explain it.

I think that’s it for now. If I think of anything else I meant to add here, I’ll update it.

Ok, nobody knows my truest name. Bet you yours is the same.

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The Wonderful World of Wikipedia and showing people how to use technology

Meghan had me show Wikipedia to someone last night who typically doesn’t use the web/Internet a lot. Initially, I could tell that the concept of content created and maintained by the users did not go along with what she would typically accept as a reliable source. This had come up because Meghan was explaining that some of her students had been citing for basic information, and she had never heard of it before. I had showed it to Meghan, and she was not only surprised by the breadth of topics that were included, but by the depth of these items as well: images, diagrams, references, citations. Nature compared Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica (as well as posted updates about the research) which can be found here.

I think the biggest thing about this is that by telling and showing people, not just telling them, about technology like this is how you are going to bring technology to the general populace. I said the same thing back in January about Firefox and Thunderbird. You can’t expect the corporations or the government to tell you about every change in technology, unless they can profit, financially or otherwise, from your use of it. That’s just the way things go.

This is something I occasionally fail at. Many moons ago I took my old computer home and set it up for my dad so he had one available to use so he doesn’t “screw up” mom’s. Anyway, I just never got around to showing him how to use it, even though mom said she would. I’m sure that he would enjoy things like Wikipedia, only because he’s an academic at heart. That academic is buried deep within him, but he’s still there. Even mom, who uses web/Internet based technology much more than dad, doesn’t use it that much compared to myself. This is partly because I haven’t shown them; I can’t expect them to just come across it magically. For the record, I should probably state that I don’t use it as much as some other people, but I still consider my use of web/Internet tech to be more than that of the general populace.

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Wikipedia and politicians – a bad combination

My brother sent me this link from C|Net’s News.com. These are the people we elected to out government? Maybe they’re the people hired to assist our elected officials, but still… these people are involved with law making.

They’re only making snide comments now, but how long before they attempt to 1984-it-up and start changing facts to reflect the current outcome.

I want to post more, but I’m tired, and couldn’t pass getting that up there now.

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